Oktober 2002

Das GNU/Linux-Tagebuch von Agon S. Buchholz.

Tagebuch : 2002 : 10 : Übersicht
01-Jan-2002/09-Jan-07

Übersicht

Ende September erschien neue Versionen der wichtigsten Linux-Distributionen: Neben Red Hat Linux 8.0 (»Psyche«) erschien Mandrake 9.0 und auch eine Betaversion von United Linux; die neuen Red Hat-ISOs trudelten auf meinen Festplatten am 7. Oktober ein, also etwa eine Woche nach der offiziellen Veröffentlichung.

Das Update von Red Hat Linux 7.3 auf Red Hat Linux 8.0 (»Psyche«) klappte -- zu meinem Erstaunen -- weitgehend reibungslos; Ximian GNOME, das komplette "Startmenue" in KDE und Gnome sowie einige Konfigurationsdateien wurden kurzerhand eliminiert, aber der Rechner bootete anstandslos! Sogar die Home-Verzeichnisse überlebten das Update -- ein enormer Fortschritt gegenüber dem Stand vor zwei Jahren, wo ein Distriutions-Update (ausser vielleicht bei Debian GNU/Linux) fast unweigerlich mit einer Neuinstallation endete.

Der wohl grösste Fortschritt von Red at 8.0 liegt im Bereich des "Look & Feel" des Desktops; hier herrscht Windows-Feeling, wodurch sich wohl jetzt auch Red Hat als Windows-Alternative für den Desktop positionieren möchte.

Anfrage bei den GUI-Projekten KDE und Gnome nach Möglichkeiten, in bestimmten Bereichen mitzuarbeiten.

Mail an <howtohelp@kde.org> am 17-Oct-2002:

I'm looking for ways to get involved into the KDE project; there are two areas I'm mainly interested in (but couldn't find any fitting KDE app yet); maybe you can point me to projects I might have overlooked since I don't want to duplicate someone's work; if the KDE team currently focuses on the issues mentioned under http://www.kde.org/jobs/jobs-open.html I apologize for wasting your time, in these topics I can't help.

The following areas are, as far as I know, currently neither covered by working KDE apps nor by projects in early development state:

(1) Logical-/ structural-based (*not* layout-based) WYSIWYG/WYSIWYM HTML editor (or maybe a GUI-based, visual SGML-/ XML-editor with HTML editing as a subset), Site and Link management etc.

The closest matches of the current KDE projects seem to bee Kate and Quanta, but neither of them are planning more advanced visual interfaces to their editing environments.

This application would be targeted to the numerous users of FrontPage, Dreamweaver and Go Live or maybe FrameMaker+SGML. It also could provide a more comfortable interface for editing DocBook documents.


(2) A mainly Logical-/ structural-based WYSIWYG/WYSIWYM document editor/ document processing app in the kind of LyX, but with a real GUI; since Klyx is dead as I understand, there are currently no plans to build visal interfaces to TeX/LaTeX in the works.


This application would be targeted to users of Frame Maker or Ventura Publisher which don't want to edit code but have to work on complex documents.

Von David Faure <david@mandrakesoft.com> erhalte ich Hinweise auf folgende Projekte:

• "There was also kafka (still in kdenonbeta) - it aims at making KHTML editable... so I guess it's a "layout-based" solution, which you don't want".
• "I think Quanta might want to go that way, from what I heard..."
• "Wouldn't KWord be a good basis for this? It has the frame orientation
  needed for this, it aims at WYSIWYG, and styles etc. provide
  a structural basis (separating contents from appearance).
  It has a LaTeX export, although currently limited. Obviously exporting to LaTeX doesn't lead to a full WYSIWYG result, many things being done differently by LaTeX, but if the goal is WYSIWYM, then this could be how to do it."

Anfrage an die Mailingliste <gnome-love@gnome.org> am 18-Oct-2002:

I'm looking for ways to get involved into the Gnome project; there are two areas I'm mainly interested in (but couldn't find any fitting Gnome app yet); maybe you can point me to projects I might have overlooked since I don't want to duplicate someone's work.

The following areas are, as far as I know, currently neither covered by working Gnome apps nor by projects in early development state:

(1) Logical-/ structural-based (*not* layout-based) WYSIWYG/WYSIWYM HTML editor (or maybe a GUI-based, visual SGML-/ XML-editor with HTML editing as a subset), Site and Link management etc.

The closest matches of the current Gnome projects seem to bee Screem and maybe Bluefish (as I understand, this is primarily a GTK app), but neither of them are are having intentions to add more advanced visual interfaces to their editing environments.

This application would be targeted to the numerous users of FrontPage, Dreamweaver and Go Live or maybe FrameMaker+SGML. It also could provide a more comfortable interface for editing DocBook documents.

It is often being argued that WYSIWYG HTML editors produce bad HTML markup and thus the HTML souce code editing should be preferred; I strongly object since tools like HTML tidy are availabe for a long time, and a smart apllication should be able to render perfeclty standard compliant HTML -- it's possible even with FrontPage, left besides tools like LyX (for TeX syntax) and FrameMaker+SGML (for SGML DTDs), so why shouldn't it be possible with HTML and an GPL'd visual WYSIWYG/ WYSIWYM editor?

(2) A mainly Logical-/ structural-based WYSIWYG/WYSIWYM document editor/ document processing app in the kind of LyX, but with a real GUI. since even Klyx for the KDE is dead, there are (to my current knowledge) currently no plans to build visal interfaces to TeX/LaTeX in the works.

This application would be targeted to users of Frame Maker or Ventura Publisher which don't want to edit code (like in environments facilitating pure LaTeX2e or GNU Emacs in SGML mode) but have to work on complex documents.

Any comments or suggestions?

Von verschiedenen Teilnehmern der Liste erhalte ich Hinweise auf Projekte:

• "Have you had a look at Conglomerate? This sounds like exactly what you describe. The web site (www.conglomerate.org) is very out of date, but I've recently ported the CVS version to GNOME 2. It's intended as a user-friendly structured editor (DocBook XML support is a core goal, but in theory it can support any DTD). It's free software (as in GPL), and uses some of the recent GNOME technologies (GnomeVFS, Bonobo etc) where appropriate." (Dave Malcolm, <david@davemalcolm.demon.co.uk>).
• "For parts of this you might consider looking at Abiword. Abiword produces nice readable HTML. Abiword has docbook support although it needs work. Abiword has LaTeX export. abisource.com [...] one of the developers fjf i think, expressed an interest in having the kind of site management tools, and it has also been mentioned that this would be equivalent to 'chapter management' if a user were writing a very long document and keeping each chapter in seperate files. he did not however think he had enough time to work on it and was hoping
  some one else would take up the suggestion. [...] Abiword can do some intersting stuff with styles that i dont entirely understand (the 'lock styles' feature gives you something a lot more like WYSIWYM than WYSIWYG or at least that is my limited understanding of it." (Alan Horkan, <horkana@tcd.ie>; ähnlicher Hinweis von Benoît Rouits, <brouits@free.fr>).
• "At a glance i cannot tell if Scribus is open source and it is not GTK
  www.atlantictechsolutions.com/scribusdocs/projects.html but it seems good fi you want a Publisher replacement." (Alan Horkan, <horkana@tcd.ie>).
• "Didn't you look at TeXmacs ? it is Really Wysiwyg TeX!" (Benoît Rouits, <brouits@free.fr>).
• "Another application (just HTML) is phpmole (with php+gtk+):
  www.akbkhome.com/Projects/Phpmole-IDE oriented to content management." (<gpoo@ubiobio.cl>).
• "At least, LyX 1.2 was designed to be GUI-independent, and there is
  a QT Gui in production. The GTK Gui started a long time ago,
  but at the same time it started... it stopped." (<gpoo@ubiobio.cl>).

Ich nehme Kontakt auf mit dem derzeitigen Hauptentwickler von Conglomerate und stelle fest, dass es eine ganze Menge Anknüpfungspunkte gibt. Einer der (nicht mehr aktiven) früheren Entwickler scheint jedoch Vorbehalte zu hegen.

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